A New President for America -Building Walls or Breaking Walls Down


During the election campaign recently elected President Donald Trump called for a wall to be built across the southern border in order to protect Americans from illegal immigration.

The Pope fired back at Trump saying that “A person who thinks only about building walls, wherever they may be, and not building bridges, is not Christian. This is not the gospel,” the Pope told journalists who asked his opinion on Trump’s proposals to halt illegal immigration.

Trump fired back at the Pope saying “I am a very nice person, and I am a very good Christian… For a religious leader to question a person’s faith is disgraceful. I am proud to be a Christian, and as President, I will not allow Christianity to be consistently attacked and weakened.”

It was quite apparent, and has been apparent that Pope Francis is not in agreement with Trump’s ideas of wall building. But as we look at this divisive issue between the Pope and President Trump is it possible that while Trump is proposing to build a wall, that this wall building is a distraction from what is happening behind the scenes, and that Trump is actually working along the same lines of the Pope in tearing down walls?

Perhaps we are being distracted.

The Great Wall of Separation of Church and Statewall church state trump jefferson

Thomas Jefferson, the third president of the United States once said the following:

“Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between Man & his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, and not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should “make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,” thus building a wall of separation between Church and State.” [ Letter from Jefferson 1 January 1802]

If there was ever a wall that Pope Francis didn’t like, it would be the “wall of separation between Church and State” In the Great Controversy we read the following:

“When the early church became corrupted by departing from the simplicity of the gospel and accepting heathen rites and customs, she lost the Spirit and power of God; and in order to control the consciences of the people, she sought the support of the secular power. The result was the papacy, a church that controlled the power of the state and employed it to further her own ends, especially for the punishment of “heresy.” In order for the United States to form an image of the beast, the religious power must so control the civil government that the authority of the state will also be employed by the church to accomplish her own ends.” [Ellen White Great Controversy Page 443]

The duty of the State is to protect the consciences of the people, and this was why the first amendment was placed in the constitution of the United States. However, sometimes we lose sight of history and thus the people fight for the things they once abhorred.

James Madison, known as the Father of the constitution who along with Thomas Jefferson had a major influence in having the first amendment written into the constitution said this:

The purpose of separation of church and state is to keep forever from these shores the ceaseless strife that has soaked the soil of Europe in blood for centuries.”- James Madison, 4th president of the United Stateschurch state pope trump

Why would Madison say that there was something they wanted to “keep forever from these shores” except for the fact that he as well as the other presidents had a good understanding of the history of the Papacy and her oppressive power during the dark ages.

Regarding those who sought the shores of America we are told in the Great Controversy the following:

“And he had two horns like a lamb.” The lamblike horns indicate youth, innocence, and gentleness, fitly representing the character of the United States when presented to the prophet as “coming up” in 1798. Among the Christian exiles who first fled to America and sought an asylum from royal oppression and priestly intolerance were many who determined to establish a government upon the broad foundation of civil and religious liberty. Their views found place in the Declaration of Independence, which sets forth the great truth that “all men are created equal” and endowed with the inalienable right to “life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.” And the Constitution guarantees to the people the right of self-government, providing that representatives elected by the popular vote shall enact and administer the laws. Freedom of religious faith was also granted, every man being permitted to worship God according to the dictates of his conscience. Republicanism and Protestantism became the fundamental principles of the nation. These principles are the secret of its power and prosperity. The oppressed and downtrodden throughout Christendom have turned to this land with interest and hope. Millions have sought its shores, and the United States has risen to a place among the most powerful nations of the earth. [Ellen White Great Controversy Page 441]

One of the reason millions sought these shores was because of men like Madison and Jefferson who sought to keep forever from these shores” the intolerant religion that oppressed and destroyed many martyrs during the dark ages. We were warned.

In the movements now in progress in the United States to secure for the institutions and usages of the church the support of the state, Protestants are following in the steps of papists. Nay, more, they are opening the door for the papacy to regain in Protestant America the supremacy which she has lost in the Old World.” [Ellen WhiteGreat Controversy Page 573]

Here we are told that the Papacy lost something. And in order to gain what she lost, a wall must be torn down. That wall is “the wall of separation between the church and the state.” We are told by Pope Francis that “A good Catholic meddles in politics.” Why does he say this?church state pope congress united states

“Rome is aiming to re-establish her power, to recover her lost supremacy. Let the principle once be established in the United States that the church may employ or control the power of the state; that religious observances may be enforced by secular laws; in short, that the authority of church and state is to dominate the conscience, and the triumph of Rome in this country is assured.” [Ellen White Great Controversy Page 581]

Are you reading what this is saying? The Idea is that they might regain control of the secular power. Now this is not just about the Papacy controlling civil power in America. No, this is about once Protestant churches seeking the aid of civil power.

“The “image to the beast” represents that form of apostate Protestantism which will be developed when the Protestant churches shall seek the aid of the civil power for the enforcement of their dogmas.” [Ellen White Great Controversy Page 445]

Kenneth Copeland – Evangelical Advisor to the President

Kenneth Copeland, the famous evangelical televangelist recently during his “America Stands: Election Coverage in the Spirit of Faith” live election night broadcast, Copeland rejoiced that, as a member of Donald Trump’s faith advisory council, he’ll now have direct access to the president of the United States for the first time in his life.

Copeland said “I am totally convinced that if the Lord were to say something to me … that the president needs to hear,” he said, “I have no doubt that we could do it and do it quickly and have audience to say, ‘Thus saith the Lord’ and he wouldn’t just turn it over to an aide or something and just write it off. He would listen and it would mean something to him.”kenneth copeland trump church state kennedy

Copeland was at first voting for Texas governor Ted Cruz, whose father Rafael another evangelical minister came on his show at one point and stated that “separation of church and state is not in the constitution, it’s not in the declaration.” He said on the show “As a matter of fact the word of God tells us exactly the opposite.”

Ted Cruz was actually behind Sylvia Allen in her public petition for Sunday laws last year. I hope you are connecting the dots.

Cruz and Trump both had some of the most gruesome battles during the debates and were pretty much arch-enemies, yet at the end Trump was interviewing Cruz for Attorney General. The connections between all of these men should be a little close for comfort when you understand what they are all about.

Copeland only a few years ago, declared a “unity of faith” with the Pope when he met with him as well as other big names including now deceased Tony Palmer. Copeland is also good friends with Rodney Howard Browne, another evangelical minister who stated in one of his messages that the term “separation of church and state is a bunch of garbage.” So what is the goal of these evangelicals? To use the state power to accomplish her ends. These protestant churches are seeking the aid of civil power in order to enforce their dogmas, just as we read in the Great Controversy already.

Trump, Pope, Copeland Tearing Down the Wall of Church and State Together

Not only does Trump have several evangelical advisors, but he has also hired 34 Catholic advisors. One of which is former presidential candidate Rick Santorum who said he “almost threw up” after reading President John F. Kennedy’s 1960 speech on the separation of church and state. Notice what JFK said in his speech.

“I believe in an America where the separation of church and state is absolute, where no Catholic JFK-Houston-Speech prelate would tell the president (should he be Catholic) how to act, and no Protestant minister would tell his parishioners for whom to vote; where no church or church school is granted any public funds or political preference; and where no man is denied public office merely because his religion differs from the president who might appoint him or the people who might elect him.

I believe in an America that is officially neither Catholic, Protestant nor Jewish; where no public official either requests or accepts instructions on public policy from the Pope, the National Council of Churches or any other ecclesiastical source; where no religious body seeks to impose its will directly or indirectly upon the general populace or the public acts of its officials; and where religious liberty is so indivisible that an act against one church is treated as an act against all.”

Wow. But what about Trump and his advisors? It is quite obvious that Trump does not believe in the absolute separation of church and state. Perhaps Trump is totally unfamiliar with the history of the constitution. This in itself is a scary thing when he has advisors such as he does. Does Trump accept public policy from ecclesiastical sources?

Trump – I Want to Give Power to the Church

Trump himself has promised to give power back to the church. Quoting him we read:

“And I said, ‘you know’ I said ‘I’m gonna take this into my own hands because I am good at this’ … and I started telling people about it because it really had an impact on me. That people are silenced that are really our finest people. And their power has been taken away. Your power has been totally taken away,” said Trump pointing to the audience.

“I don’t want to insult anybody, but your power has been totally taken away…you’ll have great power to do good things…We’re gonna bring it back because it’s a good thing,” Trump promised. “They treated you like it was a bad thing but it’s a great thing, not a good thing. It’s a great thing.” Read more at http://www.christianpost.com/news/donald-trump-promises-evangelicals-great-power-higher-church-attendance-167884/#TS0eAAdjYRmeuC4Z.99

He said he will give the church leaders “Great Power”. In another speech he said:
“Really, they’ve shut Christianity down…they’re really being silenced… and think of the power we have over the democrats, over the republicans, I mean the power. The power is incredible.”

President Donald Trump leaves the President's Room of the Senate at the Capitol after he formally signed his cabinet nominations into law, in Washington, Friday, Jan. 20, 2017. He is joined by his wife Melania Trump and and daughter Tiffany Trump. At far right is Chief of Staff Reince Priebus, with White House counsel Donald McGahn, second from right. (AP Photo/J. Scott Applewhite, Pool)

The bible tells us regarding the second beast in Revelation the following.

Revelation 13:11-12 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon. And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.

It is the American civil government that are to give power to the once protestant churches that forms an image to the beast. “Let the principle once be established in the United States that the church may employ or control the power of the state;” we were warned. How relevant is the book Great Controversy to us right now?

“Babylon is also charged with the sin of unlawful connection with ‘the kings of the earth.’ It was by departure from the Lord, and alliance with the heathen, that the Jewish church became a HARLOT; and Rome, corrupting herself in LIKE MANNER BY SEEKING THE SUPPORT OF WORLDLY POWERS, receives a like condemnation.” (Ellen White Great Controversy 382)

It is time to give the loud cry. The bible says that Babylon is guilty of the sin of “fornication with the kings of the earth” (Rev 18:3) The church is serve, not to rule, but she is seeking that power to rule again.

We are now on a very slippery slope, and it seems that after swinging hard to the left with Obama in office, we are now swinging hard back the other way, and the ball is now falling into the hands of evangelicals and Catholics who completely oppose the idea of a separation of church and state. Power is being given into their hands.

“In order for the United States to form an image of the beast, the religious power must so control the civil government that the authority of the state will also be employed by the church to accomplish her own ends. [Ellen White Great Controversy Page 443]

Let us study these things so that we might understand and be able to give a final warning and loud cry to the people.

This was written by David Barron and published in the January 2017 Newsletter from Bible Explorations. To subscribe to receive their newsletter by mail click here:


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